DDR-Zeitzeuge Casper: Ich musste da weg, um nicht irre zu werden

Braunschweig.  Ex-Arbeitgeberchef Manfred Casper spricht über seinen Fluchtversuch als 18-Jähriger aus der DDR – und die heutige Mentalität im Osten.

Autor Manfred Casper während des Interviews im BZV Medienhaus.

Autor Manfred Casper während des Interviews im BZV Medienhaus.

Foto: Philipp Ziebart / Philipp Ziebart/BestPixels.de

Ein unbändiger Freiheitsgedanke treibt ihn an. Unter Lebensgefahr versucht er mit 18 Jahren aus der DDR zu fliehen, wird aber festgenommen, verurteilt und inhaftiert. Kurz vor dem Ende der Haft kommt dann der ersehnte Freikauf durch die Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Davon berichtet Manfred Casper in seinem autobiografischen Buch „Vom Wachsen der Flügel“ – 30 Jahre nach dem Fall der Berliner Mauer. Im Interview spricht der langjährige Hauptgeschäftsführer (1992 bis 2016) des Arbeitgeberverbandes Region Braunschweig über seine Flucht, den Stand der Einheit und den ersten Blick in seine Stasi-Akte.

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