Interview

Osterloh: Kollegen wollten Blumen werfen – Töpfe waren noch dran

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Bernd Osterloh im Interview mit unserer Zeitung.

Bernd Osterloh im Interview mit unserer Zeitung.

Foto: Bernward Comes / Braunschweiger Zeitung

Braunschweig.  Im ersten Teil des Interviews mit unserer Zeitung spricht der ehemalige VW-Betriebsratschef und Traton-Vorstand über das Loslassen und Vertrauen.

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